Friday, July 30, 2010

AICEIA MET REVENUE SECRETARY AND CHAIRMAN ON29.07.2010

Posted by Secretary General on 8:13 AM with 32 comments
Before reaching to Indore we stopped at New Delhi for a couple of days; these two days emerged as one of our many productive days. On 29th July 2010 at 2.15 P.M. ,met Chairman C.B.E.C. the agenda for discussion is placed underneath:
· Kolkata High Court case and role to be played by the Board
· Restructuring and the Inspectors future
· Fixation of revised pay in the 7450/- pay scale
· MACP for promote officers
Intimated him that we are going to meet Revenue Secretary in the evening at 6.00 to narrate the RTI findings collected and permeated by Pune Genl. Secy.
The discussions held will be intimated to all the delegates of Indore CEC.
In the Evening we met Revenue Secretary Sri Sunil Mitra, at 6.00 ‘o’ clock; initially we were allowed for five ( 5) minutes, but as soon as we have started narrating
· stagnation of the cadre and
· notional fixation
We got good response from Revenue Secretary and the meeting continued for nearly half an hour; we have submitted the findings of the RTI reply on our claim for notional fixation from 01.01.1996 and requested RS to take some personal initiative to resolve this long pending issue. During discussion we repeatedly mentioned that Department of revenue always felt that it is a right demand from our side but this is only department of expenditure who is denying the justice to this most deprived servants of Govt of India.
The most appreciable part of this meeting is the role of Sri Abhay Singh Shekhawat,Joint Secy (North), who rushed to Delhi receiving a single call from S.G. and not only accompanied S.G. but also participated in the discussion with Chairman and with Revenue Secretary. General Secretary Delhi Circle was also present in the delegation which met Chairman.
Possibly it is known to you all that the Kolkata High Court Case is coming up today once again, unfortunately today also our case listed at point no. 8 in the appellate side, let us hope for the best. All the CEC members through out the country are once again requested to come to Indore CEC meeting positively as this is going to be one of the crucial CEC meeting before Convention, restructuring.
Thanking you all
AICEIA

32 comments:

udai said...

Good Work... Lets Hope for the Best..Together we Can and I am very sure that we will achieve our GOAL ...

P.Vigneshwar Raju said...

Its really a good development. All the units must support the AICEIA at this crucial movement of Cadre restructuring. Any thing can be possible only by the recognised association. Kindly strengthen the AICEIA without any difference of region.

rajaguru said...

It is NOT a good development. Despite the favourable judgements of CAT, Jabalpur and CAT, Cuttack, we are seeking notional fixation from 1996 instead of ACTUAL FIXATION FROM 1986. We have chosen the short cut method of pleading before the authorities for peanuts instead of seeking justice from the next judicial forum. What prevents us from fighting for actual fixation from 1986? Request for Notional fixation that too for a later period demonstrates our weakness and mindset to throw whatever is thrown on us. Association has failed to effectively putforth the argument: If the system is to be set right from 21.4.2004 only, that means the injustice can remain unquestioned for the period of 18 years from 1.1.1986 to 20.4.2004. Steam in us seems to have exhausted and therefore we choose the compromise route instead of seeking justice before the Hon'ble High Court.

murali said...

We have become such great masters at obfuscation that we forget what we ask for. Talking to the board is a good past time, and it deserves only that much seriousness. It should be recalled that Shri.Jaswant Singh , the then Finance Minister,and not the Board, was instrumental in getting us the revised scale w.e.f 21.4.2004. The mindset of beseeching should go and a culture of litigation should be established. Experience teaches that even justice favours only the strong.

fritz said...

Twitter is the best option to flash an update. G.S can create an account in Twitter for the association and update flash news like Kolkatta highcourt outcome from his mobile itself!

n s dev said...

in 1997 itself we would have got upgraded scale. however, the obstinate persistence by some office bearers for fixation from 01.01.86 is understood to be the reason why the file was returned. ultimately we got benefit from 2004 only. when some thing good is offered we have to grab it, since even notional fixation from 1996 will result in rise of pay by about 1500 to 3000 per month.

the need of the hour is insitu promotion of all Inspectors and Supdts who have put in more than 1.5 times the qualifying service. CSS has already set an example.

secondly we have to seek non-functional parity with IT inspectors. 1974 Inspector is now AdC in IT, here still Supdt; just imagine the difference in pay & pension too

surya said...

The decision not to lift the stay in promotions is a cruel blow to the inspector fraternity. Our father of Nation had once proudly declared that "even if thousand criminals escape the rule of the land no innocent should not be punished". Even the fabric of the law of the land is also based on the same principle. What justice is being meted out to the general candidates in zones where rota quota system is being followed.
Who will compensate the irreparable loss of not getting a feel of the higher promotional post of the Inspectors who had retired in July just because of this all india stay. It is not that SC/ST candidates are being denied promotions along with their colleagues, but actually they want to be promoted ahead of their colleagues and seniors by virtue of the reservation policy. That is why when Inspectors who have put in more than 22 years of service are stagnating, an Officer having reservation benefits is getting with just 8 years of service. That too mind you not by virtue of any merit/calibre. Okay this right is provided in the Constitution and it has to be definitely granted to the said officers. But why deny the painstakingly earned promotions to officers who have put in more than 22 years service just because in some zones the reservation policy was not implemented in toto. How is the innocent being protected in such a situation. The present office bearers are totally responsible for this imbroglio as they had not timely impleaded in the matter and taken action to see that the all india stay was lifted well before 30th June. The remarks in the web that the association has got no scope to interfere in this matter is still raw in the minds of the members, thereby even pointing a needle of suspicion in the intention of the office bearers. If the present office bearers has got an iota of self respect. they should step down from the post owing moral responsibility and let some real men to take charge of the affairs. Now we should earnestly think about moving the Court by impleading the members who are about to retire from service. Also moving the Supreme Court is the best option. Members Unite and see that the darkest phase in the history of our Association is set right immediately. Also be liberal with donating for the cause as the prestige of the Inspector cadre is at stake.

pvd said...

I have read on hydrabadcustoms blogspot that chandigarh has issued a promotion of supdt on 30.06.2010 vide estt.order no.67/2010. The quot from blog is as under

"n.kumar: chandigadh issued promotion order of Supdt. Est. Ord. No. 67/2010 dt. 30.06.10 "

If it is fact then why other CCA are not issuing the promotion.

The Board is must be knowing this facts then why not giving permission to other to do the same .

It is also heard that the High Court has not lifted the stay in todays hearing and ordered to remove the disparity. This way it seems that promotion may not happen at the end of this year. Many of the members who are retiring this year may not get the benefit of higher grade promotion. The cadre is suffering an acute loss for slackness of the Board.

chokka@blr said...

Though one feels encouraged by reading this particular post..the truth of the matter is that the Bosses in the North Block are only happy to please us in person and not on action.

In continuation to the earlier comments on the site i request the members/visitors of this blog to also see the information available on http://aiccemof.blogspot.com/2010/07/information-on-cadre-restructuring.html, which is evident of my earlier comments on the site..

My best wishes to the Office Bearers of the association in conducting a succesful and fruitful meeting of the Association at Indore.

With regards,
Chokkalingam
Bangalore


It is high time something is done on this..

surya said...

Dear pvd
if we need to convince the court that persons retiring during the stay period would be irreparable, we need to have pleaded before the court using our own advocate. Nobody can expect the Board or the Additional solicitor general to do the same on our behalf. They are least bothered whether anybody is going to retire without getting a promotion or not. This is why right from the very beginning we the members were requesting the office bearers of the Association to implead in the case, but to no avail. Now see what has happened. Now review DPC is directed to be conducted for the period from 1997 and concurrence reported to court within one week. How much time it is going to take is anyone's guess. Why the general category inspector should suffer for someones fault?. What Justice is rendered to them?. We have to move the Apex Court without any further delay. The Association office bearers could not even protect what ever was rightly and painstakingly deserved and earned, then what to talk about further benefits during cadre restructuring / upgradation. Some drastic change is required in the functioning of the Association.

surya said...

ear pvd
if we need to convince the court that persons retiring during the stay period would be put to irreparable loss, we need to have pleaded before the court using our own advocate. Nobody can expect the Board or the Additional solicitor general to do the same on our behalf. They are least bothered whether anybody is going to retire without getting a promotion or not. This is why right from the very beginning we the members were requesting the office bearers of the Association to implead in the case, but to no avail. Now see what has happened. Now review DPC is directed to be conducted for the period from 1997 and concurrence reported to court within one week. How much time it is going to take is anyone's guess. Why the general category inspector should suffer for someones fault?. What Justice is rendered to them?. We have to move the Apex Court without any further delay. The Association office bearers could not even protect what ever was rightly and painstakingly deserved and earned, then what to talk about further benefits during cadre restructuring / upgradation. Some drastic change is required in the functioning of the Association.

Bhagwan Singh said...

Good Morning

A lot is expected from AICEIA Indore meet. Hope some positive and concrete measures and plan will be chalked out in the meet.

Stagnation is the most important issue, and if this is redressed, much will follow as consequential benefits.

It is easy to criticize and blame others; a lot is being written about the alleged failure of AICEIA regarding the Calcutta stay order; the frustration of effected people is justified, but mis-directed. Who stops an individual or group from moving the High Court or Apex Court for appropriate remedy. AICEIA office bearers are just ordinary human beings. Criticism is welcome, but should be rational and constructive.

Much remains to be done by members; what can we expected from office bearers when we leave no opportunity to drag them back by pulling their feet.

So I salute the delegates; wish them best of luck and hope that a concrete plan of action to achieve our goals will be approved in the meet. All legitimate channels to achieve the goals be explored and whatever is required be done.

Jai Hind


Bhagwan Singh
Ludhiana, Punjab
9872703835

pvd said...

Dear Surya,
I extremely agree with you. But now time has elapsed and looking the way of working our judicial body it may take atleast two-three months. So the cadre is now in fix and it is high time to do unitedly some thing extraordinary to open eyes of officers siting in North Block otherwise at present we already suffering but in future we will not be received anything in coming restructuring on account of GST like past. We hope AICEIA in the recent meet come up with concrete plan of action to achieve our goals and to prevent our reccuring loss.

Bhagwan Singh said...

As per Ministerial Officers blog, the Board has rejected most of the proposals of Superintendents and Inspector cadre either being not feasible or on the ground of being not linked with the cadre restructuring.

This is shocking and indicative of the raw deal these cadres may get in the upcoming restructuring. There is deep resentment in our cadre over the stagnation and needs channelization.

So in unconventional and extra-ordinary circumstances unconventional and extra-ordinary measures need be taken.

Hope the AICEIA is well prepared and well aware of the ground situation.

surya said...

Dear Bhagwan singh

Don't get alarmed by the postings in the ministerial officers web site. The following is the posting on the icestea web site.

"The Supdts. Association had a meeting with hon'ble FM on 27.07.2010. Hon'ble F M told the deligation not to worry, as he already directed the Board to do the needful and he also assured them that justice will be done to the cadre this time."

The Inspector and the Supdt cadres are the sole helpless victims in the Department. Even the ministerial and sepoy cadre are amply benefited by sufficient promotions and career advancements. The raw deals ours and supdt cadres had been subjected to is unparalled in any Govt. organisations/departments. So it would be better to highlight our case only as combining our grievances with any other cadre will only dilute our bargaining powers.

So even if our Association office bearers are doing little for the benefit of the cadre, at least the Supdt Association is doing a great deal. pledge unconditional support to them and hope for the best

swapan said...

Central executive committee meeting is going on.Discussion of the first day meeting should inveriably be published in the site.It is also a peculier thing that, judge of Kolkata High Court ordered to conduct review DPC for the period from 1997 and concurrence reported to court within one week,No one bothered to publish this news even after lapse of 30 hours.We are bound to abide by our constitution,it is clear that reservation policy was not maintained properly.I thing our association should take proper move so that anomolies are find out and revised DPC should be conducted as per direction of the court.More over an enquiry committee should be constituted to identify the person concern for whose fault the present situation has been arised.

黃沈貞儀吉軍 said...

所有的資產,在不被諒解時,都成了負債..................................................................

Vinod said...

I agree with Swapan when he says that the AICEIA had not bothered to intimate its members of the High Court's decision on 30.07.2010regarding conducting of review DPC. The AICEIA is answerable to its members only and it is no use keeping secrets about the status of the court ruling. Now, I think the promotion process would take even more time as the administration would take its own time to conduct review DPC and report to the Court. Hence, we should take up the issue with the CBEC and expedite the matter or on the other hand make individuals who will be adversely affected by this delay to approach the Apex Court for redressal. AICEIA should act fast immediately.

surya said...

Dear all
Following is posting in the icestea web site.
"t is learned that Kolkata HC directed CBEC to review DPCs from 1997.
yet to get the authentic information. Trying to get the promotion orders issued immediately, by seeking the intervention of the FM, for which the ICESTEA will be camped in Delhi from 2-6th Aug. Let us bell the CAT."

Very refreshing and soothing to know that somebody is taking some concrete action. BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR ENDEAVOURS

balu said...

Dear Mr. Surya,

If the cat closes its eyes, the world would not become dark! goes the saying.

What is posted in the blog of Ministerial Officers is the reality and wake up to the reality..

Look at the meeting and news of Supdt., Association, which confirms the same..

The Secretary General's letter dated 27.07.2010, posted on WWW.CENGOKERALA.ORG, speaks volumes about what is happening over in the cadre restructuring process.

You need not sympathise with the ministerial Officers, whether they get any benefit or otherwise, what is that you are getting is to be seen..

Are you getting anything is what Mr.Bhagwan Singh has noted...

So be courteous and responsible in what you say... If you are not alarmed by the said fact, then better not say anything on the subject in future.. Because, when nobody is beleiving in the IRS cadre, particularly in the present cadre restructuring, you seem to believe them..
Wish you Good Luck..

Last but not the least!
The Parliament was informed in a written reply on 23.04.2010, that the HPC report is being considered in the present restructuring, which has promptly been sidestepped and delinked from the cadre review, as per the minutes of the meeting held on 12.05.2010 (after the statement made by the MOS (R))..

So make your own assesment/ judgment, which i leave it to you..

with regards
balu

Gokul said...

while appreciating the efforts taken by the office bearers for vacting the stay granted by the HC kolkatta, it is pain to note that no effort has been initiated to solve the issues pertaining to the members of the same association for the reason that they belong to a particular caste inspite of the fact that everybody knows that some officers have been denied with their rights by now giving the promotion at the appropriate time. Nobody can help except GOd, who is always great. aravind kerala

RAM said...

Dear Mr Perverted Surya

In which Commissionerate a SC/ST Inspector got his promotion in 8 years wherein general category Inspector awaits for more than 22 years? Dont bluff. This shows your true picture of your heart.

We are not hurdling or standing as a pillar post or rock in front of others.

WE are demanding only their constitutional rights. In India every one is enjoying reservation and not alone ST/STs. Dont hatred your colleagues.

You will be/ must be aware aware of the Supreme Court's judgement and Board's direction/ circular dated 17.7.2009, wherein all the CCAs were directed to conduct the revire DPC from 1997, wherever required? Not conducing the review DPCs is whose fault?

In Tamilnadu, CCA is telling that details were avialable only from 2002 and strongly refusing to furnish the details from 1997 to 2002. rather called for dossiers to conduct DPC!.

Any order against SC/STs are implemented instantly. one of the Supdt have obtain a judgement in the CAT, Madras in the reservation matter and the department gone on appeal with Hon.High Court Chennai but the appeal was dismissed. Department neither appealed to Suprme Court nor implemented the CAT order for more than 2 years.

But you are telling not to obey courts order etc. BE judicious as we are claiming ourselves as a lawyers also.

With regards

rajaguru said...

Unfortunately, the frustration of every one of us resulted in commotion and in-fight as follows:

Reserved category Vs General category
Executive Vs Ministerial officers
Members Vs Association leaders

In this process, we had forgotten our real enemies, the IRS officers and Customs Examiners/ Appraisers. Instead of fighting with the real enemies, we are indulging in useless in-fight among ourselves and our real enemies are just enjoying the fun.

Let us stop feeding our own blood to the entertainment of others.

Vinod said...

Let us not fight with others or with ourselves; but let us fight for our fundamental rights and basic privileges, which are denied to us. Let us hear from our association office bearers of the latest position and future course of action.

A. Kannathasan said...

Good reply Mr. Ram. I salute you. The perverted Surya like persons relentlessly engage in mudslinging on the low profile officers belonging to SC/ST Community. They are airing their disgusted views against the spirit of the Constitution and abetting other offices act against the welfare and interests of these deprived lots. Let them first of all understand that the reservation is the birth right of these peopele because of the oppression and suppression meted out to them centuries together. Let them understand that the SC/ST Officers are also equally brainy to that of the boasters.

A. Kannathasan.

manoj said...

united we stand divided we fall

murali said...

PLease don't hurl abuses at each other. This blog should reveal our aspirations, not our prejudices. Frustation is because of the lack of commincaiton.

RAM said...

At the outset, it is not my intention to hurt any body's feeling. But when they are posting their whims and fancies or false things, it should be corrected.

The association should also consider or bear in mind, of the interest of SC/ ST Inspectors also as we are also the members of the Association.

Any move to alienate the SC ST members will deeply affect the interest/ Unity of the Association.

Impleading or Not impleading, filing rejoinder or pressurising the board to initiate actiob to vacate the stay with out insisting for implementing the DOPT circulars and instructions will cost the unity of the Association.

A. Kannathasan said...

Well said Mr. RAM. Thanks.

A. Kannathasan.

murali said...

we are the association. we may fight with each other but that does not prevent us from being brothers in arms. I may have a difference in opinion with you, but you are not different. You are as good as me and you are entitled to your rights and opinions. It is natural for brothers to fight for their due, but the thread will not break. We are destined for great things though the present looks bleak.

ajay mohanty said...

Has any body seen DOPT meme dt 10 aug 2010?Is it the same what for the matter has gone to H'NBLE kOLKATA HIGH COURT?
ajay

rajesh said...

dear mr mohanty
yes you are absolutely right, this is the very same case indeed, but the date should be february 1995 and not 1997 sir,
regards