Monday, April 26, 2010

Meeting with MOS

Posted by Secretary General on 4/26/2010 09:45:00 AM with 82 comments
on 22nd April, 2010 Secretary General, President, Vice President (East & South) and some other circle secretaries and Branch Secretaries along with former Secretary General Sri R.Manimohan went to Delhi to meet the Hon'ble Minister Of State ( Revenue), unfortunately we could not meet him on that date and briefed our three points to the OSD to the Hon'ble Minister, on 23rd morning we were able to meet the Minister, Minister recommended our revised Payscale representation to Secretary Expenditure and assured us about the issue of stagnation will be solved shortly and Hon'ble minister has already discussed the point with the Chairman C.B.E.C. Meeting with the Hon'ble minister was very positive and now persuasion may take an important role towards solution of the pending issues.

82 comments:

rajaguru said...

Congrats. The signs are positive. What we had lost all these years, we will make it good this time.

Rajiv said...

I joined this department in 1992. LDC joined in 1992 are now Inspectors, and Assistant Commissioners joined in 1992 are now Additional Commissioners. Is there any logic for stagnating us for 18 years for no fault on our part? We cannot and shouldnot leave it to our destiny. We want JUSTICE, that too with retrospective effect. Justice delayed is justice denied. We should take every recourse for the same, and fight till end for our rights. Hope that ongoing deliberation will reverse the decades of injustice being done to the inspector cadre of Central Excise.

manoj said...

actually Inspectors are destined to perish... because after getting one promotion, they become eligible for group A. it is very simple. the rulers are not ready for that... it is as simple as this.. even though their counterparts in CBDT dont think in similar way... lets fight together and hope for the best

rajaguru said...

The issues to be pursued at this juncture are as follows:
1. Revised pay scale from 1.1.1986. There should not be any compromise in this. The Administration will try to dilute for notional fixation effective from 1996. Let us not accept that. We want actual fixation and arrears for the past 24 years and 4 months. If it is causing financial burden, we are not responsible for that. It is because of the adament attitude of the Department. We should use all methods to achieve it as everyone of us will get substantial arrears to result in life time achievement.
2. Stagnation is to be removed by ensuring time bound promotion. Central excise Superintendents are entitled to 83% whereas they are getting only 67%. Customs appraisers are getting 22% whereas they are entitled to only 11%. The anomaly should be set right retrospectively. Further, the quota should be post based and not vacancy based.
3.Uniform lost its relevance and therefore we should take efforts for abolition of that. Initial equipment allowance is granted only once. How the Officers will be able to maintain it for 30 years. Will the Uniform last for 30 years?
This is the right time for us to wake up.

jk said...

Alongwith with the important issues , kindly take up the issue of grant of ACP's to the promotee Inspectors who are also stagnating for nearly 20 years. These Inspectors who are direct UDC's and became TA's and subsequently promoted as Inspectors are the only ones who are not getting ACP's . Kindly request for an amendment in the ACP rules to remove anomally as now even UDC's and stenos who were not given next promotions are also given ACP. Do something to rectify this discrimination to a small set of Inspectors as an opportunity exits now.Let those officers who stagnate for more than 10years in a post get ACP irrespective of the promotion got at the intial stage.kindly take up this issue also at the meetings as it will benifit lot of Inspectors who are at a loss and whose juniors are getting more pay than them

anbu said...

I HAVE JOINED IN THE DEPARTMENT AS INSPECTOR ON 14.01.1992. bBUT EVEN NOW I AM UNABLE TO GET ONE PROMOTION. THIS IS THE PATHETIC SITUATION OF INSPECTORS.

anbu said...

I HAVE JOINED IN THE DEPARTMENT AS INSPECTOR ON 14.01.1992. bBUT EVEN NOW I AM UNABLE TO GET ONE PROMOTION. THIS IS THE PATHETIC SITUATION OF INSPECTORS.

VP(North) AICEIA said...

Dear Kousik Ji, please post the reply to PQ no.4665, submitted by the department to the LOKSABHA on 23.04.2010. This PQ relates to the promotion of Inspectors.

Text of PQ is given below;-

Central Board of Excise and Customs
PQ NO. 4665. SHRI MANISH TEWARI:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Inspectors of Central Excise under the administrative control of the Central Board of Excise and Customs (CBEC) get only one promotion during their entire length of service and that too after putting in 30-35 years in their careers;

(b) whether Inspectors under the CBDT get 3-4 promotions in their career span and get their first promotion after providing 20 years of service;

(c) the reasons for discrimination of one against another recruited through the same Staff Selection Commission (SSC);

(d) whether a report on staff rationalisation in the CBEC was submitted on 15.12.2008;

(e) if so, the details thereof and action taken thereon; and

(f) whether CBEC has a time bound action plan to create smaller divisions headed by Assistant Commissioners/ Deputy Commissioners to effectively monitor revenue interests by plugging the leakage points and collecting more arrears?

Hanwant said...

What happened to the case WPCT 261/2008 Samiran Roy & others at Calcutta Highcourt on 27.04.2010 the date of hearing? What is result? Whether stay on promotion to Superintendent vacated? Could any body update please.

murali said...

will any body be kind enough to enlighten the result of hearing conducted in the case of WPCT 261/2008 Samiran Roy & others at Calcutta Highcourt. It seems this issue would have implications regarding cadre restructuring also.

Hanwant said...

dear murali plz. visit http://causelists.nic.in/calcutta/app/cl.html for latest position of the case. listed for hearing on 29.04.2010

Bharat said...

It is heard that case no.261/2008 Samiran Roy & others posted for hearing on 05.05.2010

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happy said...

Sir what about the inter commissionerate transfer issue. Why it is not taken by the association on the priority basis till time.

manoj said...

kindly inform the reply of PQ

rajaguru said...

Whatever be the reply to PQ, it is not going to help us, as long as we are surrounded and hounded by the Customs Appraisers and narrow minded IRS officers of CBEC.

Bharat said...

Correct dear Rajaguru, it is correct. it is cristal clear customs side & IRS do not want to do so. and we are responsible for all the situation because our blood has been turned into waste water good for nothing. Remember Vivekanad Utishth, Jagrat and Sangharsh kar jab tak lakshya ko prapt nahi kar le. What was the fate of CBEC's own decision on merger of analogous posts. It was decided by the board itself that all analogous posts of Group-C, Group-B will be merged and a common seniority list will be prepared and all further promotions will be done according to this common seniority list w.e.f 01.07.2005 What was commitment of CBEC board? Whether CBEC adhered to its commitment or surrendered before examiners, preventive officers and appraisers? Who will place answer before public exchequere? Common people? WHo is resposible?

kps said...

GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
MINISTRY OF FINANCE
LOK SABHA
UNSTARRED QUESTION NO 4665
ANSWERED ON 23.04.2010
CENTRAL BOARD OF EXCISE AND CUSTOMS
4665 . Shri MANISH TEWARI

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:-


(a) whether Inspectors of Central Excise under the administrative control of the Central Board of Excise and Customs (CBEC) get only one promotion during their entire length of service and that too after putting in 30-35 years in their careers;

(b) whether Inspectors under the CBDT get 3-4 promotions in their career span and get their first promotion after providing 20 years of service;

(c) the reasons for discrimination of one against another recruited through the same Staff Selection Commission (SSC);

(d) whether a report on staff rationalisation in the CBEC was submitted on 15.12.2008;

(e) if so, the details thereof and action taken thereon; and

(f) whether CBEC has a time bound action plan to create smaller divisions headed by Assistant Commissioners/Deputy Commissioners to effectively monitor revenue interests by plugging the leakage points and collecting more arrears?
ANSWER

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE(S.S. PALANIMANICKAM)

(a) In Central Board of Excise and Customs (CBEC), the first promotion from the Inspector grade to Superintendent level is under the purview of the respective Chief Commissioners of the zone as the cadre controlling authority. While the actual length of service before first promotion varies zone-wise, in most zones, the Inspectors get their first promotion well before putting in 30-35 years of service. Moreover, 50% of the posts of Assistant Commissioner, which is the second promotion level for Inspector, are filled up by promotion from Superintendent level.

(b) No, Sir. It is not certain that all Inspectors in Central Board of Direct Taxes (CBDT) get 3-4 promotions in their service career. The exact length of service prior to first promotion depends upon availability of vacancy, suitability of candidates and passing of the departmental examinations; and the time frame differs from region to region.

(c) The promotions of Inspectors in CBEC and CBDT are governed by the respective recruitment rules in these organisations, service conditions and availability of posts for promotion and thus no question of discrimination may arise.

(d) Yes Sir.

(e) High Powered Committee recommendations related to restructuring and upgradation for posts of Superintendents, Central Excise and Superintendents, Customs (Preventive), which form one set of input for the ongoing cadre review exercise.

(f) Creation of more divisions and reorganisation is a continuous iterative process. Presently, it forms a part of the ongoing cadre review exercise.

kps said...

As is the question, so is the answer.

manoj said...

it is really very sad that the people who do every single work of this department are being subjected to such humiliating service conditions.. it is our weakness.. let us accept it.

Bharat said...

Not only to accept the weakness but to eradicate our weakness and stand united and strongly. Be cautious from the selfish cadre you know very well and this selfish cadre creating hurdles in ou path and narrow minded also not ready to accept us in our cadre also. We should struggle finaly do or die. that only will be only solution.

rajaguru said...

I was the only one who wrote a letter to the Chairman, CBEC that I will not participate in the Central Excise Day Celebrations in protest against the stagnation. I requested the Associations to make a similar declaration. The impact would have been felt had the cadre of Inspectors and Superintendents boycotted the Excise day function intended to glorify the IRS officers and assessees. Unfortunately, there was nobody to support my move. Our cadre celebrated the function of IRS officers, enjoyed with family the free food offered by the Department at the cost of our prestige. We have no shame to attend the Excise Day. We have no shame to claim the petty amount of uniform allowance. We have no shame to attend to the protocol work and carry the suitcase of the IRS officers. How can we expect better treatment, when we ourselves cannot have self respect?

Bharat said...

Mr. Rajguru is quite correct and everybody expected to follow the same thinking and spread the same in the cadre and revitalize selfesteem and prestige. Only stronger have rights beggers no right. So we decide ourselves whether we want to be masters of ourselves or slaves of others. Give away pitty benefits and raise your level of self esteem. It is better to rule in hale than to serve in heaven. We have to choose between slavery of IRSs or masters of self with high esteem. Pitty benefits makes no difference in long run. Shall we choose it well in time and fight for our legitimate rights from whom these IRSs have deprived us under well planned conspiracy. Please wake and shake our souls to arise. I am confident whenever souls of hard workers arose no one could stop them and could not apart them from goals. So, dear COMRADES think and work for the sake of our cadre jointly and unitly. Why not we demad parity with Income Tax Deptt. or better than that.

Bharat said...

What happened to WP.CT 261/2008 on 05.05.2010? What is current status on injuction/stay order? Whether Deptt/CBEC is serious about vacation of the said Stay?outart What concrete steps have been taken till date which show their intention? Not only Justice be done but it should appears/seems also.

rajaguru said...

Will anybody clarify whether Initial equipment Uniform Allowance is given only once in the career in our Department? Whether given at the time of promotion? What is the practice in other Departments? In my Commissionerate, the grant of initial equipment allowance is only once at the time of joining the Department and the Officers will have to manage with that until retirement. Will the uniform last for 40 years? Should the Officers spend from their pocket for their uniform once in three years?

Bharat said...

Initial Equipment Allowance is sanctioned at the time of joining the department while uniform maintainance allowance is being sanctioned every year. What happened to case No.261/2008 Samiran Roy & Others? What is current status?

rajaguru said...

Maintenance allowance is granted for maintaining the uniform to meet the expenditure for washing, ironing, shoe polishing etc. My question is with reference to equipment allowance for which the officers spend from their pocket once in three years.

RAM said...

it is ok. but when a Inspector got his ACP after putting service of 12 years is getting Rs.200 as increase in GP with 3% increment. We are celebrating that. When a JC after putting service of 4 years is getting an increase of just Rs.20000 approx as pay hike on his promotion as ADC. BUt they are not satisfied with that.

Bharat said...

Thats the fdifference between Masters and Slaves in Independent Worlds biggest Democracy. Rule of the people, for the people and by the people.correctly depicts the situation that england/colonial rule is still alive in India. The people who are taking all the pains for the department, who are backbone of the department are being treated by such lords as second category people. More correctly to say in language of TShashi Thurur's as cattle class people. We are really back (bone) in so many matters, service conditions, perks, social treatment, treatment by the govt. but not by labour,wisdom. God also not helping those people who are not helping themselves. So take some lesson from these modern lords as how to react and demand.

rajaguru said...

Let us evolve a suitable strategy. Strike is practically not possible. They will not bother to read our letters. Seeking remedy from judiciary is time consuming and expensive. What else we can do? The Cadre may come forward with suggestions.

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rajaguru said...

This website is intended for serious persons. There are some persons posting entries in a language not known to others. This playful activity is to be curbed. Site administrator may look into this attempt of insult by unscrupulous persons in the place where we cry for restoration of our pride.

murali said...

PLease let us know about the outcome of the case of WPCT 261/2008 Samiran Roy & others at Calcutta Highcourt. It seems that aiceia is sleeping.

AKS said...

At this crucial time we should take the help of media also. Regular feeding through national/prominent news paper may draw more attention.No harm in trying everything for cadre.

manoj said...

rightly said.. use of media is very necessary.. we should try to raise these issues on every possible forum... it is obvious that the masters will give us the same treatment as they are used to from several years.. we have to engage others in our fight (bcoz we are really weak to get it on our own)... At the same time both of our associations i.e. inspector and superintendent should make a joint team to look in to causes of our weaknesses and suggest measures to minimize them.. how can a cadre so prominently involved in almost every work of this department be deprived from their righteous demands..? or how can a cadre who does nothing can continue its dictatorship..?

Bharat said...

Possible forums may be:
1. Print and electronic media.
2. Creating dedicated websites and discussion on it and electronic membership so only genuine persons may have access to it.
3. representations to left parties and heads of other political parties.
4. Resentations to all heads of Democratic system of the country.
5. Pressing hard to our union/association for some concrete steps to be taken and unveil possibilities of single union all over the country and taking help from SUperintendent Cadre.
6. Voice should be raised in the parliament through public representatives. MP's.
7. Public Interest Litigation on the issue of dicremenation even though recuited through the same exam by the same agency and even in the same board examiners and preventive exminers are more comfortable. ratio of promotion should be demanded on the no. of posts managed by same cadre.
8. Even CBEC is not fair in implementing his won decision to merge analogous cadres viz. examiners, preventive officers and inspectors of central excise and creating a single seniority list and further promotions to be effected from this single all india seniority list as decision taken by the CBEC but CBEC is not keen in implementing its own decision.

rajaguru said...

Bharath has made sensible suggestions. In addition to the above, we may consider the following additional measures. 1. Release of a full page Advertisement by the consortium of Inspectors and Superintendents Associations in important dailies. 2. One day hunger fast from 0930 to 1730 with black badges. But, we will do work on that date so that no disciplinary action can be taken against us. 3. Refusal to attend to protocol work.

Bharat said...

what is the latest position of WP.CT No.261/2008 Mr. Samiran Roy & Ors. Vs Union of India & Ors. in Calcutta Highcourt? It appears association is not disseminating latest informations or our association is not aware of the latest position of the case. Both the situations are groomy. Will office bearers will pay attention to their duty to keep informed all its members about latest happenings and developments which affects over all interest of the cadre. I hope we should be kept well informed by our office bearers.

Bharat said...

The blogspot of our association is a useful tool in our hands. On the other side at ICESTEA we have no such facility. We should thanks to our office bearers for providing such a discussion forum. Hope others will take lesson from this and start such discussion forums at their sites also.

kps said...

An interesting communication by our supdt.'s association to the Hon'ble Minister of State is reproduced below: (Relevant extract due to space constraint, please visit http://www.cengokerala.org/_documents/ref-4910.pdf for details.

1. The Inspector of Central Excise, Inspector of Income Tax, Preventive Officer and Examiner of Customs
of the same batch should be brought to the same level of promotion.
2. The qualifying service of the Inspectors of Central Excise may also be counted by their batch as in the
case of group A officers instead of their joining.
4. The Superintendents of Central Excise should also be promoted to a senior group A post like the most of
the other group B gazetted officers of Central as well as State governments.
5. The qualifying service for the various promotional levels in the hierarchy may be fixed in the
following manneri)
3 years as Inspector of Central Excise to be promoted to the post of the Superintendent of Central Excise
as it is already 3 years for the Inspector of Income Tax and Examiner of Customs to get promoted to the
equivalent post.
ii) 10 years after joining as Inspector of Central Excise (whether as Inspector or Inspector+Superintendent)
to be promoted to the post of the Deputy Commissioner of Central Excise whether worked as
Superintendent or Asstt. Commissioner as qualifying service for a Superintendent to become an Asstt.
Commissioner is 3 years and an Asstt. Commissioner becomes Deputy Commissioner in 4 years. In other
group A services also, a junior group A officer becomes senior group A officer within 4 years.
iii) 15 years after joining as Inspector of Central Excise (whether as Inspector or Inspector+Superintendent
or Inspector+Superintendent+ Deputy Commissioner) to be promoted to the post of the Joint Commissioner
of Central Excise whether worked as Superintendent/Deputy Commissioner or not as it is already 9 years
for the direct recruit IRS to become the Joint Commissioner.
iv) 20th year as on Ist January of the relevant year after joining as Inspector of Central Excise (whether as
Inspector or Inspector+Superintendent or Inspector+Superintendent+Deputy Commissioner or
Inspector+Superintendent+Deputy Commissioner+Joint Commissioner) to be promoted/upgraded to the
post of the Addl. Commissioner of Central Excise whether worked as Superintendent/Deputy
Commissioner/Joint Commissioner or not as it is already 14th year as on Ist January of the relevant year for
the direct recruit IRS to become the Addl. Commissioner.
v) 23 years after joining as Inspector of Central Excise (whether as Inspector or Inspector+Superintendent
or Inspector+Superintendent+Deputy Commissioner or Inspector+Superintendent+Deputy
Commissioner+Joint Commissioner or Inspector+Superintendent+Deputy Commissioner+Joint
Commissioner+Addl. Commissioner) to be promoted to the post of the Commissioner of Central Excise
whether worked as Superintendent/Deputy Commissioner/Joint Commissioner/Addl. Commissioner or not
as it is already 17 years for the direct recruit IRS to become the Commissioner.
8. A time bound mechanism for promotion may also be devised to remove the stagnation making it
effective in r/o the very initial joining at the level of the basic feeder cadre of the Inspector. Such time
bound mechanism had already been recommended by the CBEC to VIth Central Pay Commission amongst
other options recommending time scale at every 7 years. The decrease in the direct recruit quota at
group ‘A’ entry level or stop it for a particular period may also help a bit to remove the stagnation.

WE SHOULD ALSO PRESS OUR DEMANDS AS PROPOSED BY OUR SUPDT. ASSOCIATION IN ONE VOICE.

Yogesh Dosodiya said...

why the association not think about the ICT issue, is this issue not important for association?

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What is the use of this post, if it cannot be understood by others/ Is it a comedy? I would like to know whether the site administrator desires to encourage this playful activity?

murali said...

Dear Koushik,
PLease let us know about the outcome of the case of WPCT 261/2008 Samiran Roy & others at Calcutta Highcourt. Is there any progress in this front?

surya said...

Dear murali,
why are asking koushik the details of WPCT. The office bearers of the association has already declared under the caption 'Good Morning' that they have got no scope to involve themselves with the case and have requested our Board and concerned Chief Commissioner to expedite the case and resolve the issue at the earliest. We all know what has happened to the innumerable requests made to the Board since decades. I would like to have a clarification from the office bearers of the association as to what is justice. When inspectors who have put in 20 to 25 years of service in the cadre are still stagnating for want of a single promotion, the officers belonging to the reserved category are getting promotion to superintendent within 10 years and in certain commissionerates inspectors with even lesser years of service have been promoted as superintendents. These superintendents have without any sense of ethics/justice or fair play have went to Court and obtained an order staying all further promotions of the inspectors. The association instead of taking action to get the stay vacated and soothe the burning distress of the stagnating inspectors, ironically chose to hold a neutral stand declaring that they have got no scope to involve with the case. The association should not forget the basic fact that the views/wants of the majority reign supreme in a democratic set up. Whether the stand taken by the association is the individual view of the office bearer or of the members of the association is to be found out. While the interests of the reserved category provided in the Constitution should be fully protected, it should also be ensured that no officer belonging to the general/ non reserved categories be victimised. Fine sense of justice do our association have. LONG LIVE THE ASSOCIATION

surya

Kuldeep Singh said...

25 days since the last post by the administration. Please continue to give updates to keep the spirits of the cadre live.

RAM said...

Dear Mr Surya

Dont put wrong information. Can name any inspector in the Zone from SC ST community got his promotion within 10 years or earlier and it took 25 years for a Inspector from general category to get his promotion. It is a matter of 2 to 3 yaers difference only. That too by virtue of retirement vacancies of their category officers, are getting promotion. Not by any out of turn. Further can you give the list of officers drwan on deputation to other forums like DRI DGCEI SEZ Airport etc? SC officers are also doing same work even better than other officers. Dont try to abuse SC ST officers.

Further do you mean to advice the association to act against the interest oftheir members?

Further nowadays all promotions are against retirement or deputation vacancies only. SC ST officers are promoted only inthe vacancies caused by retirement like vacancies only. They are not swallowing the chances of others.

Kolkatta case is a result of outcome of the fact of swallowing of vacancies of SC ST officers by others/ non SC ST officers. Ok.

all the best

RAM said...

Be wise Surya.

In a Zone a 1992 year batch general category Inspector and 1993 reserved category Inspector are awaiting for promotion. Where is question of difference 15 years or more. Dont abuse. Fisrt you try to know or understand the facts and cuase for the Kolkatta case. Then offer your commetnts.

But on seeing your comments it is very well seen that you hate your colleagues from SC ST category.

I can challange you that the SC ST officers are no way inferere to others.

Again i am saying that nowadys all are getting their promotion out ofthe retirement vacancies alone. The general category officers aare able to get also out the vacancies caused by deputation.

See the vacancies list and deputation list.

surya said...

Dear Ram,
I am not putting any wrong information. check up the promotion orders of cochin commissionerate for the last two years and enlighten yourself. Facts are facts and there is no question of hating anybody. As i already said all the rights of reserved category should be fully protected, but the way to get it protected is not by being selfish and victimizing their fellow colleagues who have put in more than two and half decades service in the cadre and stagnating for want of a promotion.

rajaguru said...

The dispute between the SC/ST employees and others reminds me of the Pre Independence period when British used the tactics to divide these categories. It is now done by the Board now.

murali said...

My intention was not to create any rift, but, I assure you that the cadre restructuring process will get derailed because of this case. Legitimate expectations must get fulfilled . In our Zone ST officers with nine years experience have got promotion, but general officers with 18 years are still waiting for their promotion. SC officers of 1992 batch have got promotion about two years back. If the officer goes who gets promotion in about nine years goes to the court and derails the chances of others, would you call it legimitate expectation? The whole process of law is against us. We are being denied promotions due to no fault of ours. The association should ensure that justice is done. Mere lip service to the cause has resulted in our stagnation.

Bharat said...

The association or correctly to say office bearers are not working fairly and impartially. Stagnating the process of promotion is causing harm to whole cadre including SC/ST officers it self. They all are being delayed to get GP of 5400/- which is after 4 years of service in Supdt. cadre. All are suffering and office bearers are palying the flute like NERO when Rome was burning. The association/office bearers which are not solving the sole purpose of themselves and cadre have no use, obsolete and obsolete things cannot be tolerated at any cost. Either they must play their role promptely, judiciously and in fair manner for the cadre or choose their own way for exit. MUM situation is more dangerious. In Gujarat Zone Vadodara seniority zone SC candidates of 1994 batch promoted to Supdt. cadre in 2002 while Insp. of 1994 batch are still waiting for their first promotion in 2010 i.e. 6 years back from their batchmate and still waiting. After completion of 8 yrs. SC candidates of 1994 batch will be eligible for Asstt. Commr. but General candidate of 1994 batch still Insp. even though having much higher rank in SSC exam that too by 300 ranks margins. What is going on India? Thats the Reason behind BRAIN DRAIN from India. Dear ones should note this point. The obsolete office bearers who are not capable of taking due care of their own members have no legitimate or moral ringht to continue their office. They are not even updating informations of latest happenings to their members, nor site administrator is keen to pay attention to keep updated their members. Such a soiled team should take due responsibilty and quit offie if not capable. Satisfy most members of the association. Without association you have no meaning. Person is not replica of organisation. Sanctity of Organisation should be maintained at any cost. Would office bearers reply please.

Rajiv said...

Is there no worthwhile developement in last one month? This is the only place to know authentic news. Administrator should regularly update the blog in r/o ongoing restructuring, ban on DPC, different court cases etc. which are general in nature and interest for most of the cadre.

RAM said...

Mr Surya and Mr Bharat are you sure that in Kerala there is a vast difference of 15 years? Even if it is so it is only becuase of the retirement vacancies caused by their own seniors and not at the vacancies of general officers.See the and read the reservation rules, and DPC procedures.

Can you or will you point out any single SC officer who was promoted in the place of unreserved category except that of officers promoted on thier own merit.

Do you mean to say that when a SC officer is promoted on his own merit, he should be treated under reserved category? Do you mean to say that even he got first rank, he should be placed in the reserved category only?

What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.

We are not here to ruin the chances of my colleagues but we will not allow to eat our chances

RAM said...

Dear Bharath

I am also sitting near you and doing the same work. Am i inefficent. Every one who put 8 years service is eligible. Just fight with the Board or Ministry and not with your friend.

Just envy of your neighbour and not on your own colleague.

I do feel your feelings here in our Zone 1993 SC officer and 1992 non-SC officers are awaiting for their promotion. What is the difference? i am just branded as an SC officer but what is benefit previlage earned by me?

Any concession is being given in work? same work same pay. The promotion to SC ST officers are again i am saying cuased out of only retirement vacancies of their own member.

Check out the facts and revert to me or post your comments.

RAM said...

Dear Bharath

I am also sitting near you and doing the same work. Am i inefficent. Every one who put 8 years service is eligible. Just fight with the Board or Ministry and not with your friend.

Just envy of your neighbour and not on your own colleague.

I do feel your feelings here in our Zone 1993 SC officer and 1992 non-SC officers are awaiting for their promotion. What is the difference? i am just branded as an SC officer but what is benefit previlage earned by me?

Any concession is being given in work? same work same pay. The promotion to SC ST officers are again i am saying cuased out of only retirement vacancies of their own member.

Check out the facts and revert to me or post your comments.

Bharat said...

What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.


What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.



What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.



What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.



What does this means? Nothing to say it is self explanatory dear.

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RAM said...

Self explanatory means do you mean to say that for non sc st officers, brain is draining through ears due to over flow of brain?

Nice. Do consult a

logiswaran said...

There is a website called irsonline. which is for group A officers. Nobody other than Gr.A officers can look what is posted in it. The public can see only what they put in public domain. You have to login using username and password to view what is posted for their priviledged viewing. As of AICEIA, it is good to post the developments and comments in public domain. But we have to be cautious in posting our comments because one person from Gr.A side will always be watching our website and will prepare counter defence for all our moves. I advise you not to wash our dirty linens in public.

logiswaran said...

Gr.A are the main persons who sabotage our chances of promotion. The Supdt. and Inspector level posts are surrendered to create more Gr.A posts and they can be very canny in masking and morphing the truth, so as to further theri own careers. But there is a collective effort among themselves to get the promotion. There is no visible divide between SC/ST Gr.A Officers and other Gr.A officers. Let us also pose as if there is solidarity between SC/ST officers and other officers, at least till we get what we are fighting for. In the mean while read the High powered Commitee report, Cadre restructuring proposals and other items in DGHRD website and see how the commitees comprising of Gr.A officers ramble about cadre restructuring, as if only Gr.A posts only exist in CBEC.Do something to make the concerned persons understand Gr.A is only making decisions based on the facts collected by worker bees like Supdt. and Insprs.

Nitai said...

Thank you of all
NITAI

Bharat said...

What do you mean by bran drain Mr.Bharat? Do you mean to say that SC officers are not efficient? Pl mind your words.

Self explanatory means do you mean to say that for non sc st officers, brain is draining through ears due to over flow of brain?

Nice. Do consult a

Dear all other members and members of all other associations/otganization are keeping continuous watch. Be aware and vigilant dear. and also cultured one. Other people will also observe and judge.

RAM said...

It is a fact. Every one is having their own limit. All should have right to express and that expression should not hurt other's feelings.

It is applicable to you also my friend. When you are commenting that the because ofthe opportunities given to SC ST category, you are telling as brain drain in India. Nice.

In India there is 100% reservation. Reservation for SC, ST, OBC, BC and general category.

Because of SC ST only no brain drain. In IT field also there are lot of SC ST are working where no reservation is there. I feel you would accept.

Ok let all we refrain ourself by not hurting others.

logiswaran said...

OK. SEE MY PREVIOUS POST. COME ON LET US DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE RATHER THAN HURLING HARD COMMENTS ON EACH OTHER. FOR STARTERS SHALL WE WAKE UP THE OFFICE BEARERS OUT OF THEIR SLUMBER AND MAKE THEM POST ABOUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS.
OF COURSE POST THE DEVELOPMENTS WITH A BIT OF CAUTION SO AS TO SATISFY THE MEMBERS AND ALSO NOT RUFFLE MORE GR.A OFFICERS FEATHERS.

WestZone said...

Well guys, here is some news.
A group of Inspectors in the West Zone are contemplating filing a writ petition or SLP in the Supreme Court challenging the logic behind reservation in promotions.
This is a system which has to go away.
Why should there be reservations in promotions?
Having reservation in the field of education or entry to govt jobs is understandable to some extent i.e giving equal opportunities to the people who are under priviliged or claim to be.
But what is the sense in continuing this reservation system once you get a govt job. In the Govt job, all are equal and get the same pay for the same work. It is not that a person belonging to the SC/ST gets less pay or is made to do menial jobs. Everyone is equal. So then why give SC/ST additional benefit of reservations in promotions? This is not justified.
In the West Zone, Inspector of 1989 batch from General Category is yet to get a promotion, but inspector of 1996 batch in the SC/ST is already promoted. This is a shame that a junior officer has now become a senior office because of the reservation benefit. Has the Inspr of Gen Cat done less work or is he a child of a lesser God?
We demand that just like the Group-A services, there should be no reservation based promotions in all cadres.
Some of the SC/ST officers are multi millionaires having always done the best postings and taking all the benefits. So in waht way are these officrs under-priviliged? We have compiled a list of all such officers who we feel have accumulated wealth beyond their source of income. This will be exposed soon.

We are in the advance stage of preparing the case with all aspects.

We hope all Gen Category officers will support us in this fight.

RAM said...

Dear west zone you are challenging the constitution of India. Hon Supreme Court has decided in lot of cases that there is a reservation in promotion. Are you dare to challange the constitution of India?
This is a shame that a junior officer has now become a senior office because of the reservation benefit. Has the Inspr of Gen Cat done less work or is he a child of a lesser God? ---- this shows your aversion towards SC ST officers. You seems to be a member of some political outfit in the west.

Some of the SC/ST officers are multi millionaires having always done the best postings and taking all the benefits. So in waht way are these officrs under-priviliged? We have compiled a list of all such officers who we feel have accumulated wealth beyond their source of income. This will be exposed soon. It will happen to you also. Post by your name and place. Are you dare enough to disclose your personal identity?

We are in the advance stage of preparing the case with all aspects.

We hope all Gen Category officers will support us in this fight.

I can take list of general category officers who accumulated wealth.

I feel you showing a wrong way to the interest and working hormany.

the Secretary General should not allow such post

manoj said...

it is time to demand reservations in all group A services for SC/ST/OBCs.. i want some thing to hear on this...

manoj said...

i meant in promotions ..

Bharat said...

Best news ever on this blog. Must be ceremoniuosly welcomed. exclam. We all stand and unite actively with you for the better/glittering future of INDIA.

WestZone said...

Mr RAM.
You are just as your comments..all empty. Do your homework well.
For you information read this:

In 1995 Parliament by 77th Constitutional amendment inserted Art 16(4) (A) permitting reservation in promotions to the Schedule Castes and Schedule Tribes. Later it was further amended to include consequential seniority by 85th amendment.

However in 1999 Hon Supreme Court ruled the following:
RESERVATION IN PROMOTION NOT A MATTER OF RIGHT.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the employees recruited under the reservation policy cannot continue to claim seniority over the general category colleagues as a matter of right.
A five-judge constitution bench headed by Chief Justice Adarsh Sein Anand held that Articles 16(4) and 16(4A) of the Constitution “do not confer any fundamental rights nor do they impose any constitutional duties but are only in the nature of enabling provision vesting a discretion in the state to consider providing reservation if the circumstances ...so warranted”.

So read well and write well. Do not prove to the world what a big idiot you are.

I take pride in getting everything on merits, including a promotion, even if that means waiting for 20-25 years. I will never raise my hand like a beggar and ask for preferential treatment like you.

As for revealing my identity, I accept the challenge. But if you have the guts and reveal your real name, address and place of present posting. I will then do the same.
Let us then see who amongst us has earned even a single rupee by way of fraud or bribe. IF I have done so I will quit immediately, or else you have the guts and declare the same.

I can claim that till date I have not taken a paise bribe from anyone. I am what I am due to my sincerity and work.

So I have the moral right to expose all curropt people, which I will do. If you reveal your identity, I promise, I will find all details about you too, including your wealth and possessions.

So next time you speak, think twice. Otherwise you are in deep trouble.

And yes, in the WP that we are planning to file, we will ask for abolishing of reservations in all promitions OR extending the reservation benefits in Group-A service too.

We will expose the Group-A babus now.

So RAM, I hope that your actions will speak louder than your words. Reveal yourself and be prepared to be investigated.

Nitai said...

Gone through some comments from Mr Hanwant , Murli, Bharat ,Surya ,Rajguru , logiswaran ,Ram etc. which remind me how the General Cast & Higher caste peoples is domineering the reserve category as they did by the misleading the situation by misrepresenting. I am unable to keep me steady without delivering some words for facts which have proof and some is from circumstances for which proof cannot be produced like identity of my parents. Who is my parents .Circumstances knows who is my parents but I have no proof.
Some notable points are as follows:-
1) At first taken example of 1992 batch for year benefit :- At Kolkata zone – Inspector have been started for promotion with effect from 06.3.09 (Say it was held after 17 years) vide order No. 23/2009 dtd.06.03.2009 while promotion of SC category have been started later. I know Sri. Ajoy Sinha of 1992 batch (mentionable a large number of Inspectors were taken in that year 1992 where Mr. Sinha’s rank was 7th as per SC category) have able to get promotion w.e.f 01.01.2010 i.e; after 17 years and 10 months later Vide Order No. 169/2009 dtd. 31.12.2009.


To be continued –

from KOLKATA

Nitai said...

West Zone commented that Inspector of 1989 batch from General Category is yet to get a promotion, but inspector of 1996 batch in the SC/ST is already promoted.

How it possible where Roster is an scientific Tools where room for SC/ST is specified. Is the SC/ST people getting excess reservation than that of prescribed percentage in West Zone ? If it is really happened then your West Zone has been depriving the Reserve Category by suppressing the original no. of SC/ST at the time of Indent for appointment.
Let us exam/understood in a nut shell through the following Chart :-

Appointing year No. of General Candidate appointed No. of SC Candidate appointed No. of ST Candidate appointed
1981 77 15 8
1982 77 15 8
1983 77 15 8
1984 77 15 8
1985 77 15 8
1986 77 15 8
1987 77 15 8
1988 77 15 8
1989 77 15 8
1990 77 15 8
1991 77 15 8
1992 77 15 8
1993 77 15 8
1994 77 15 8
1995 77 15 8
1995
1996



Say, according to West Zone , GC Candidate upto 1988 only has been exhausted while 1989 to 1996 of SC/ST Category have already been Exhausted .
How it possible? In this case it is possible , if the per centage of SC/ST candidate for promotion is considered double . Is it happened like so ? It can not be happened as the Roster point for Promotion is specific and Unique i.e; 155 for GC, 30 for SC and 15 for ST .On the other hand, SC/ST are being deprived from their Original rights while you are giving interest—very much funny .

Secondly , it can happened—if the huge number of SC/ST candidate have not been appointed as Inspector as per prescribed per centage for a few decays for which SC/ST candidate upto 1996 has been taken for promotion to properly file up the Roster Point in the 1988. This implies that West Zone is depriving a huge No. of SC/ST Candidate for appointment.



According to West Zone, SC/ST getting 8 years benefit—if the appropriate percentage have been taken for appointment at the time of recruitment , no SC/ST candidate will get the year benefit as the Roster point is Very much scientific. Look at the Chart –while 77th GC of 1988 will be promoted , almost all the same time the 15th SC and 8th ST will be promoted . Never SC/ST will get chance earlier .Before completion of GC of 1988 ,No SC/ST of 1989 will get chance for promotion .


To be continued.
From Kolkata.

Nitai said...

West Zone commented that Inspector of 1989 batch from General Category is yet to get a promotion, but inspector of 1996 batch in the SC/ST is already promoted.

How it possible where Roster is an scientific Tools where room for SC/ST is specified. Is the SC/ST people getting excess reservation than that of prescribed percentage in West Zone ? If it is really happened then your West Zone has been depriving the Reserve Category by suppressing the original no. of SC/ST at the time of Indent for appointment.
Let us exam/understood in a nut shell through the following Chart :-
Appoin- No of No. of No. of
ting GC appo- S C ST app
year -inted appointed ointed
1981 77 15 8
1982 77 15 8
1983 77 15 8
1984 77 15 8
1985 77 15 8
1986 77 15 8
1987 77 15 8
1988 77 15 8
1989 77 15 8
1990 77 15 8
1991 77 15 8
1992 77 15 8
1993 77 15 8
1994 77 15 8
1995 77 15 8
1996 77 15 8

Say, according to West Zone , GC Candidate upto 1988 only has been exhausted while 1989 to 1996 of SC/ST Category have already been Exhausted .
How it possible? In this case it is possible , if the per centage of SC/ST candidate for promotion is considered double . Is it happened like so ? It can not be happened as the Roster point for Promotion is specific and Unique i.e; 155 for GC, 30 for SC and 15 for ST .On the other hand, SC/ST are being deprived from their Original rights while you are giving interest—very much funny .

Secondly , it can happened—if the huge number of SC/ST candidate have not been appointed as Inspector as per prescribed per centage for a few decays for which SC/ST candidate upto 1996 has been taken for promotion to properly file up the Roster Point in the 1988. This implies that West Zone is depriving a huge No. of SC/ST Candidate for appointment.



According to West Zone, SC/ST getting 8 years benefit—if the appropriate percentage have been taken for appointment at the time of recruitment , no SC/ST candidate will get the year benefit as the Roster point is Very much scientific. Look at the Chart –while 77th GC of 1988 will be promoted, almost all the same time the 15th SC and 8th ST will be promoted. Never SC/ST will get chance earlier .Before completion of GC of 1988, No SC/ST of 1989 will get chance for promotion .


To be continued.
From Kolkata.

Nitai said...

West Zone commented that Inspector of 1989 batch from General Category is yet to get a promotion, but inspector of 1996 batch in the SC/ST is already promoted.

How it possible where Roster is an scientific Tools where room for SC/ST is specified. Is the SC/ST people getting excess reservation than that of prescribed percentage in West Zone ? If it is really happened then your West Zone has been depriving the Reserve Category by suppressing the original no. of SC/ST at the time of Indent for appointment.
Let us exam/understood in a nut shell through the following Chart :-
Column (i) read for “Appointing year” Column (ii) read for “No. of General Candidate appointed , Column (iii) for “ No. of SC candidated appointed and Column (iv) for ST candidate appointed

(i) (ii) (iii) (iv)
1981 77 15 8
1982 77 15 8
1983 77 15 8
1984 77 15 8
1985 77 15 8
1986 77 15 8
1987 77 15 8
1988 77 15 8
1989 77 15 8
1990 77 15 8
1991 77 15 8
1992 77 15 8
1993 77 15 8
1994 77 15 8
1995 77 15 8
1996 77 15 8

Say, according to West Zone , GC Candidate upto 1988 only has been exhausted while 1989 to 1996 of SC/ST Category have already been Exhausted .
How it possible? In this case it is possible , if the per centage of SC/ST candidate for promotion is considered double . Is it happened like so ? It can not be happened as the Roster point for Promotion is specific and Unique i.e; 155 for GC, 30 for SC and 15 for ST .On the other hand, SC/ST are being deprived from their Original rights while you are giving interest—very much funny .

Secondly , it can happened—if the huge number of SC/ST candidate have not been appointed as Inspector as per prescribed per centage for a few decays for which SC/ST candidate upto 1996 has been taken for promotion to properly file up the Roster Point in the 1988. This implies that West Zone is depriving a huge No. of SC/ST Candidate for appointment.



According to West Zone, SC/ST getting 8 years benefit—if the appropriate percentage have been taken for appointment at the time of recruitment , no SC/ST candidate will get the year benefit as the Roster point is Very much scientific. Look at the Chart –while 77th GC of 1988 will be promoted, almost all the same time the 15th SC and 8th ST will be promoted. Never SC/ST will get chance earlier .Before completion of GC of 1988, No SC/ST of 1989 will get chance for promotion .


To be continued.
From Kolkata.

surya said...

All the instances of reserved category officers getting promotion much much ahead of general candidates senior to them has started due to the implementation of reservation in up-gradation of posts. Even though he Hon'ble Supreme Court has held that no reservation is applicable in the up gradation of posts, if the total number of posts in the cadres do not change. The very purpose of upgradation of posts is to address the issue of stagnation, by upgrading the senior most officers to the next higher post. But see what has happened by implementing reservation norms in up-gradation of posts - persons in the reserved category with just 8-9 years of service are promoted where as persons with 15 to 20years of service are still stagnating. Ours is an uniform service where there is rigid hierarch. No officer will tolerate a junior officer sitting on top of him and bossing around. In Chandigarh Commissionerate the seniority list has been re-casted by not applying reservation norms in upgraded posts. Other commissionerates also would have done the same but for the board going on appeal against the same. In the Hon'ble High Court of Kerala a petition has been filed in this regard seeking non application of reservation norms in upgraded posts. The only panacea available is to give time bound promotion, by which all the regional disparities, all gen category-reserved category issues, custom house-central excise inequalities, inercommissionerate issues can be solved at one go. Also the base cadre seniority in the feeder cadre should also be considered for promotion where in the senior officers also do not lose out. Hope the Board will listen and do the needful.

RAM said...

This shows Surya's inner thoughts that he will not tolerate an SC officer sitting as boss to him. It is totally wrong Mr Surya that in the event of upgradation, the no. of post in the higher grade is increased. Say if 100 Inspector posts are upgraded means, the strength of Superintendent cadre is increased by 100. Then there should be proper representation of SC ST officers. So there comes the rule of reservation.

Dont post wrong or misleading facts. Be judicious.

surya said...

Dear ram
go through the Hon'ble Apex Court decision in this regard. This decision has been implemented in the
Chandigarh zone by dereserving the upgradation posts. Are you trying to say that your interpretation of facts is superior to the decision taken by the Hon'ble Apex Court. Will you tolerate any junior officer- belonging to any category-sitting on top of you and bossing around.

RAM said...

Dear Surya

Everything is subject to interpretation. Hon.Supreme Court has ruled that reservation is a must in cadre restructure also. You can also also through the judgement and consequent Board's letter dated 15/17.7.2009.

So you hate reserved category officers. Is it not?

You can fight against the quota system itself.

We are not the person to fight against the Constitutional rights and previlages to the under-previlaged

You can also fight that a person who got less mark is posted as Ins along with you, who got 100%. Can you or will you.

Do not try to poision the society

surya said...

Dearram,
when we are blogging about facts why are you keeping on using the words 'you hate reserved category officers'. Must be some deep rooted complex. If you go through my blogs no where will you find an iota of any hatred against any body leave alone reserved category officers. But through out your blogs you are always using the words 'hatred against reserved category officers, their victimization' etc. Learn to have a balanced outlook towards life and one more thing. Any person who feels that he is being hated just reveals that actually he is the person who is hating others. The universe is a projection of the self. If you hate- the world hates you , if you love- the world loves you. It is as simple as that. Good luck. Hope you will correct yourself.

RAM said...

I do agree Mr Surya. From the wordings of you or other friends i am forced to feel so. I am not having any complex. You analyse the issue open mondedly. When you are dare enough to say as "Will you tolerate any junior officer- belonging to any category-sitting on top of you and bossing around" what does it mean? It is your complex is exposed here.

When you are challenging the rigts provided by the Constitution, who we are to debate about this?

It is not at the mercy of you or myself or the CM or PM or FM or who the hell in the helm of affairs.

The right is provided in the Constitution Itself.

In India every one is having reservation - not alone SC/ ST - it is OBC or BC because of Mandal Commission, women. You will acknowledge this. You are looking down to your SC/ST officers . a general category or Bramin looks down a OBC officer. It is a fact.

A Christian looks down a muslim who got reservation.

rajaguru said...

The debate on reservation should come to an end. Constitution has provided the privileges to SC/ST officers and therefore, it is the law of the land and none can criticise it. The site administrator should not encourage such arguments as the same could be termed as illegal. I express the above views, though I do not belong to SC/ST category.